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What just ain't so:

  • "Social Security is in crisis; it is headed for bankruptcy."
  • "For young people, SS just won’t be there for them when they retire."
  • "The Social Security Trust Fund surplus is just a pile of worthless IOUs for money that the government has collected and already spent; it will renege on them rather than paying them back when due."
  • "Because everything the gov’t administers is inefficient, the gov’t paying for health care would be far less efficient than paying via private health insurance companies. "
  • "Clinton reversed the trend and moved the US budget from big deficits to big surpluses."
  • "It is well established that tax cuts increase government revenue."
  • "Free markets and free trade make everyone better off because they increase GNP and “a rising tide lifts all boats.”

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November 30, 2008

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Peter T

I wanted to add something to my previous comments:
While I think that a Fiat Money / Full Reserve system looks promising (except for the bankers), I don't see it as a miracle drug, as some other people seem to do. We still have to work for our fruits of labor. I agree only with the last point of that list, the others seem to violate the fundamental principle (there is no free lunch):
1. Have no National Debt.
2. Accrue no more interest on that debt, thereby eliminating the annual deficit
3. that would enable elimination of the income tax
4. Escape the current economic mess, which may well be the final collapse of the ultimately unsustainable 300-year old private fractional reserve banking system.

Even in a FM/FR system, some people have to work to deliver the government services, and those people need to get a share (tax) from the other peoples income. Even if the government profits alone more from seignorage, it will need taxes to function. Some bonding activity is also justified for investment projects that will bring benefits in the future.

Interesting is point 4: While the introduction of FM/FR system is difficult and will be heavily opposed by the banks, the current situation seem to go already in a direction of FM/FR - the banks are weakened, and the government is supposed to compensate for the loss of private spending. If the Federal Reserve buys US-treasuires and transfers the profit (interest) back to the Treasury, this essentially creates money by government spending instead of by private debt. To avoid a later inflation from all this created money, the government could rack up reserve requirements to over 50%.

Some economic studies would be needed, before going down such a path, but who would want to pay for them?

OleFogey

One more great resource to those you posted. What got me thinking about all this in a new way was Paul Gringon's (sp?) "Money as Debt" video found on the web. Our current system creates the principal but not the interest of loans, thus creating an automated cue of losers.

Peter T

> I need help understanding why it WON'T work.

A Fiat Money - Full Reserve might work, because:
- a full reserve system gave stable money for decades in the form of notes of the Bank of Amsterdam (but it wasn't fiat)
- fiat money has worked since Kublai Khan when the governments sets the right boundaries (I know that is asking for a lot).

Beside Milton Friedman, there were other proponents of FM/FR, notably Irving Fisher who formulated the debt/deflation theory of the Great Depression. Of all, he saw first the danger of money as debt and advocated debt-free money.

I see other reasons than impossibility of FM/FR that debt-free money has never been realized so far: It reduces the banks to safe-guarding depositories and clearing houses (for demand deposits and transactions) and to credit match-makers who try to find for a credit need the saving with a similar time horizon. That would be much less profitable than creating money by lending it out. Especially the US financial industry made a lot of profit, compared wiht other US industries, over 30% of all profits in 2002-2006. Now those profits are shown to be accounting hallucinations, but don't expect the bonuses to be paid back that were calculated based on the bogus profits. The donations to politicians from those "profits" won't be paid back either, of course.

OleFogey

I just posted what is below on the Huffinton Post Blog to back up your point.

We have a lot of educating to do. Once there were political parties that could discuss this stuff. Now it is difficult to get this understood at all.

Here is the post:

Naming the Problem. Agreed that the Obama Finance team is the same-old boys. No politician can be existential, and no one yet has named the problem. If households, businesses, banks and government are deep in untenable debt, could there be a problem with the debt (i.e. banking) system? Does it make sense to hire a banker to get us out of the hole bankers got us into? Think outside the Loan! ThomH below is correct is asking that Ellen Hodgson Brown (Web of Debt author) and Stephen Zarlenga (American Monetary Institute) be invited to blog here. Know some History! It makes no sense to bail ourselves out with borrowed money. (!) Either we sell ourselves out to foreign interests, or depend upon ourselves (and Not the bankers) and emulate Abe Lincoln's greenbacks. (with no interest). Obama will not have a forever dole machine, for after a while the world who owns those treasuries will ask for his liver. He had better get better advice. So far people have no idea how inbred the banking scene is, or that the Federal Reserve is not controlled by the government .
If the Huffington Post cannot raise the issue.... then who?

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